Ice age fairy tales

Trigger warning: potentially offensive.

Trying to pinpoint an Ice Age Diet is about as complicated as defining a Paleo or Mediterranean diet… it would’ve been completely different depending on when & where, season, family/tribe, etc., etc.  And while the interwebz are full of anecdotes & guesses (educated & otherwise), there seems to be little reliable information and a lot of contradictions.

And anyway, is this really relevant for us today?

#context

Hat tip to Prof Tim Noakes for pointing out the work by Curtis Marean, who showed that our species may have survived the ice age(s) in a warmer climate in Africa, where seafood played a large part in their diet: “Humans would have been able to survive because of rich vegetation that was available in the area.”

Here’s what I came up with, and why I feel like ranting.

I don’t doubt that humans went through periods of low & high plant consumption, but if someone argues that passing through times of low plant consumption is what “elevated” our species or fostered brain growth or whatever; LOGIC: it can be just as easily argued that passing through times of high plant consumption did the same.  Saying “don’t eat plants because #IceAge” is just as flawed an argument.

Alternatively, considering the importance of #context in our modern environment, couldn’t you also argue that low-plant diets are only evolutionarily appropriate during an ice age (where the Earth is theoretically a giant snow ball LOL)?  Also, if plants are somehow unhealthy, how did we survive periods when hunting was poor?  All of the arguments can go both ways.

 




 

I mean, if I lived 10 thousand years ago, I would eat anything I could get my hands on — which would probably look something like a plant-based diet with seafood and whatever else could be hunted, scavenged, etc.  Gotta eat, but why handicap yourself by intentionally avoiding plants – shouldn’t the goal be to spend as little time worrying about this as possible?

If you didn’t have to hunt 24/7, you’d have more time to do other things like acculturation, play, sex, music, story-telling, building traditions, etc., etc.

 

 

Ask a bro, and they’ll tell you “meat-eating and avoiding starches is how we survived the ice ages and evolved bigger brains.”  More likely, it was cooking, seafood, and a more varied diet, but whatevs.  It seems likely that adding some meat & seafood to a plant-based diet would be superior for our species… avoiding plants year-round?  Nope.

Disclaimer: I don’t eat a lot of starch. But that doesn’t lead me to conclude starch hindered human evolution, which is nonsense.

 

 

Ice age fairy tale: since starch & plants don’t grow well in snow-covered areas, then we would’ve gone through long periods of time without them.  And survived (though not necessarily thrived).  Some go so far as to say ketosis is the one true human diet because it’s how we beat the ice age.  But is really even how we beat the ice age?

O_o

 




 

Hat tip to Prof Tim Noakes for pointing out the work by Curtis Marean, who showed that our species may have survived the ice age(s) in a warmer climate in Africa, where seafood played a large part in their diet: “Humans would have been able to survive because of rich vegetation that was available in the area.”

 

Also, the Earth wasn’t one big snowball during the ice ages.  It was a bit colder in some places, so plant foods were still available in many others.  We didn’t need meatosis to survive.

And anyway, if it started getting so cold that all the plants were dying, smarter Paleo’s would’ve followed the animals and migrated to a warmer climate.  Less smart Paleo’s may have died out = our species became smarter on the whole.  Also, I think they would’ve been able to plan and think, like about preserving and storing foods.

 

 

 




 

SMARTER ANCESTORS MOVED TO WARMER AREAS WITH MORE PLANTS.  Because: 1) they could eat the plants; and 2) they could eat the animals that ate the plants.

Meat & the evolution of intelligence: cause, effect, or coincidence?  Or seafood, cooking, and rich vegetation.

 

 

ICE AGE OR ICE CREAM? Hahaha

Low carb is cool, but please don’t advocate it for embarrassing reasons.  Cite PubMed, not Mother Goose.  Or just rant like me 🙂

 

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  • The carnivore=bigger brains idea probably devolved from the very real advantage we got from getting more DHA.

    • I’d just add that you don’t need to be a carnivore to get more DHA… and this doesn’t always correlate with bigger brains

      • Seafood was pretty critical to our evolution and brain size. Getting a similar amount of DHA from plants alone would be really tough.

  • Dan Ordoins

    ???? good rant.

  • BullB Man

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn5zdWucv6I&t=1219s

    There are fair points here that were never addressed in the previous carnivorous/herbivorous debates. I may have missed some good comebacks from the herbivore league though.

  • Matthew Klein

    Also, its a stretch to say that just because they ate plants we should too. The fruits and veg we currently have did not exist over 1000 years ago, grains a mere 12,000, biggest changes to all crops came in the last 100 years! If humans evolved because of eating certain plants, those species would be of African origin, and almost certainly extinct as of today. Could argue don’t eat cows then, well maybe, but evol rate of animals is much slower than plants, much less is different biochemically.

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